Monday, April 12, 2010

Is console gaming getting too ''gene ...

I have been a member on the forums for a long time and lurk more than post but still you can see from my level and posts that I am not a troll. I also have a gaming PC, wii, 360 and ps3. I am 29 and started gaming with the NES and since that time have had every game system almost (even CD-I and 360...and turbo express with the TV tuner;)....but back to my point.Games that seem to be scoring really well seem to be getting more and more casual and generic. EA is a big culprit and I hate to say it....but Valve is slowly following in the footsteps...and ubisoft and others. But console gaming seems to be holding my attention less and less these days. SC4 I played for about 5 hours, Heavenly sword I played for about 5 hours (and beat it lol), Halo 3 was great for multiplayer, Super mario galaxy I couldn't get into (maybe my age i dunno). I guess I just am kinda bored with console gaming. It seems like there is so much marketing and hype surrounding games but the replay value is going further and further down. GTA4 getting a perfect 10??! I still play Counter-strike source weekly. HL2 is still an amazing game. FEAR multiplayer on PC still goes strong. Far Cry is still a great single player experience. I have always preferred PC gaming a bit but I am now starting to really feel that PC gaming is more practical FOR ME (just my opinion of course) because GPU's are getting cheaper for good performance, CPU's have been great at low prices and most importantly....gaming seems to hold its replay value MUCH longer than the ''Fast food'' games that are being pushed out left and right onto consoles. Will I always have a console? Probably. Some games just work best on console. But will I keep buying all systems and spending so much on so many games with low replay value and content Vs High marketing and hype? Probably not. Opinions? Is console gaming getting too ''gene ...
I agree, The game are just getting more and more generic, the same stuff with a different coat of paint every year just isn't fun. The are some great pc games from a few years ago that are still worth playing, can't say the same for games like cod4 that has no depth and hardly worth playing more than once. Had a ps2 last gen but there just aren't enough decent games on current consoles for me to bother buying one, I don't need 10 cod4 clones with a different paint job Is console gaming getting too ''gene ...
Agreed. I still play Warcraft 3 more than I have played any game this gen and probably played Warcraft 3 more than any game this gen combined.
More obscure survival horror titles please, industry.
Stick to PC gaming then. I don't see why you'd play console games if you dislike them as much as you say.
I agree, I find console gaming ''shallow and pedantic''.+20 rep for the one who gets it:POn a more serious note though I do agree and I too find myself playing my pc more than my consoles. Actually the last couple of weeks I've only played my PS3 while listening to podcasts...
[QUOTE=''Blommen'']I agree, I find console gaming ''shallow and pedantic''.+20 rep for the one who gets it:POn a more serious note though I do agree and I too find myself playing my pc more than my consoles. Actually the last couple of weeks I've only played my PS3 while listening to podcasts... [/QUOTE] Family Guy quote, isn't it?
[QUOTE=''hakanakumono''][QUOTE=''Blommen'']I agree, I find console gaming ''shallow and pedantic''.+20 rep for the one who gets it:POn a more serious note though I do agree and I too find myself playing my pc more than my consoles. Actually the last couple of weeks I've only played my PS3 while listening to podcasts... [/QUOTE] Family Guy quote, isn't it? [/QUOTE]You just earned yourself +20 rep:Pand it was fast too, I'm impressed!
Uh, I'm going to have to completely disagree here. Sure, I game on my PC more most likely since it has more games, but consoles aren't getting ''generic''. You act like the PC never gets generic games. That's completely untrue. The PC is loaded with a library of games that are literally games you've already played, just slightly different. In fact, in all honesty, because of the bigger library, there's actually more generic games on PC than any other platform. That being said, the percentage however is the same as consoles. There have been plenty of games out on both consoles and PC in this generation that have been anything but generic. And I think you're heavily overlooking that. Generic is a term used to describe a game that completely copies another idea but doesn't do it as well. So, games like GTA4, MGS4, Halo 3, etc. aren't generic. Are the ideas new? No. But have they been so perfectly executed before? No. These games aren't generic. People always take ideas that have been created before, but when executed properly these ideas become something so much greater.
your being GENERIC
I don't see PC gaming doing anything shocking, the entire industry is rehashing everything, its hard to come up with anything original when everything is doneyou get quality stuff on pc AND consoles, its just pc pulls it out of the bag more often
100% agree with the TC. I have pretty much turned my back on consoles, i still have a PS3 but it doesn't get much attention.I also rarely buy multiplats these days as these are generally the generic re polished garbage you refer to. This is what consoles do to gaming. As long as the masses keep on buying this rubbish and the industry continues to brainwash them with tv ads and hype, it will just get worse in the future.All i can say is thank god for PC gaming and the smaller devs that make the amazing games that are new and fresh, Sins of a Solar Empire just one example.
[QUOTE=''Frozzik'']100% agree with the TC. I have pretty much turned my back on consoles, i still have a PS3 but it doesn't get much attention.I also rarely buy multiplats these days as these are generally the generic re polished garbage you refer to. This is what consoles do to gaming. As long as the masses keep on buying this rubbish and the industry continues to brainwash them with tv ads and hype, it will just get worse in the future.All i can say is thank god for PC gaming and the smaller devs that make the amazing games that are new and fresh, Sins of a Solar Empire just one example. [/QUOTE] You're kidding me, right? You're calling console multiplats generic and then call Sins ''new and fresh''.The game is amazing. No doubt. I love having entire galaxies to expand my empire in, and bombing enemy worlds never gets old but lets be reasonable here. The game is essentially Civilization and Homeworld melted together. Its nothing really that innovative. Its an old idea thats just been very well done.Honestly... I don't really see where you're coming from.
PC Gaming has its fair shair of generic games, especially my high favoured adventure genre.I mean, almost every game in that category is a point-and-click with nothing new going for it. And then there's those Diablo clones which come out yearly, and those RTSs which also fly under the radar and onto shelves.
[QUOTE=''Skittles_McGee''][QUOTE=''Frozzik''] 100% agree with the TC. I have pretty much turned my back on consoles, i still have a PS3 but it doesn't get much attention.I also rarely buy multiplats these days as these are generally the generic re polished garbage you refer to. This is what consoles do to gaming. As long as the masses keep on buying this rubbish and the industry continues to brainwash them with tv ads and hype, it will just get worse in the future.All i can say is thank god for PC gaming and the smaller devs that make the amazing games that are new and fresh, Sins of a Solar Empire just one example. [/QUOTE] You're kidding me, right? You're calling console multiplats generic and then call Sins ''new and fresh''.The game is amazing. No doubt. I love having entire galaxies to expand my empire in, and bombing enemy worlds never gets old but lets be reasonable here. The game is essentially Civilization and Homeworld melted together. Its nothing really that innovative. Its an old idea thats just been very well done.Honestly... I don't really see where you're coming from.[/QUOTE]Sins is nothing like civ, its real time for a start and its in space lol. I pretty much have every TBS and RTS from the last few years on PC and find Sins unlike others. My point was more that you will never see this kind of game on a console, instead you see the re hashed rubbish, GTA4, COD, GT5, FIFA, Madden and the 100's of generic 3rd person action games that launch every year. I really don't care what you think, i have owned almost every console ever made, including this gen, i buy a hell of alot of games too, all i can say is consoles have turned me off.
[QUOTE=''Dave_NBF''] SC4 I played for about 5 hours, Heavenly sword I played for about 5 hours (and beat it lol), Halo 3 was great for multiplayer, Super mario galaxy I couldn't get into (maybe my age i dunno). I guess I just am kinda bored with console gaming. It seems like there is so much marketing and hype surrounding games but the replay value is going further and further down. GTA4 getting a perfect 10??! [/QUOTE]i dont think that's fair, you cant represent consoles with heavenly sword and SC4.... i hate to sound fan-boyish, but i swear its the truth. if you asked me what my favorite single player in a game was i would say farcry (sounds like you enjoyed it to) but mgs4 is now the greatest game i have ever played, it was shocking.The only thing i see with PC is the option for more buttons and controls, and graphics. its the game devs who make the games, and it sounds to me like for you consoles are in a dryspell.
[QUOTE=''FrozenLiquid''] PC Gaming has its fair shair of generic games, especially my high favoured adventure genre.I mean, almost every game in that category is a point-and-click with nothing new going for it. And then there's those Diablo clones which come out yearly, and those RTSs which also fly under the radar and onto shelves.[/QUOTE]yes but you pretty much hit the nail on the head there. The PC generic games are generally unheard of, un reviewed games. The console ones are big name games with massive tv ad campaigns.
You should play what you like, not what other people tell you to like.

I personally have loved games like Kameo, DMC4, Dead Rising and Mass Effect way more than CoD4, GTAIV, BioShock and Halo 3, all of which scored at least a point higher in all regards. I play what I like and don't care what things score online and I'm quite happy.

The only reason it seems to be getting ''more generic'' is because you are only focusing on the super-popular mainstream titles and nothing else.

[QUOTE=''Frozzik''][QUOTE=''Skittles_McGee''][QUOTE=''Frozzik''] 100% agree with the TC. I have pretty much turned my back on consoles, i still have a PS3 but it doesn't get much attention.I also rarely buy multiplats these days as these are generally the generic re polished garbage you refer to. This is what consoles do to gaming. As long as the masses keep on buying this rubbish and the industry continues to brainwash them with tv ads and hype, it will just get worse in the future.All i can say is thank god for PC gaming and the smaller devs that make the amazing games that are new and fresh, Sins of a Solar Empire just one example. [/QUOTE] You're kidding me, right? You're calling console multiplats generic and then call Sins ''new and fresh''.The game is amazing. No doubt. I love having entire galaxies to expand my empire in, and bombing enemy worlds never gets old but lets be reasonable here. The game is essentially Civilization and Homeworld melted together. Its nothing really that innovative. Its an old idea thats just been very well done.Honestly... I don't really see where you're coming from.[/QUOTE]Sins is nothing like civ, its real time for a start and its in space lol. I pretty much have every TBS and RTS from the last few years on PC and find Sins unlike others. My point was more that you will never see this kind of game on a console, instead you see the re hashed rubbish, GTA4, COD, GT5, FIFA, Madden and the 100's of generic 3rd person action games that launch every year. I really don't care what you think, i have owned almost every console ever made, including this gen, i buy a hell of alot of games too, all i can say is consoles have turned me off.[/QUOTE] Its real time and in space? Really, I didn't catch that. :| What I meant was it provides you with a large civilization (huh, seeing the connection maybe) to control and expand in whatever manner you see fit.At any rate, I fail to see how games like COD and GTA4 (I won't comment on the racing or sports games, I haven't played them myself so to be fair to I can't judge them) are any more ''rehashed'' than the RTS and FPS games you'll find on PC. Neither of these genres has gotten anything that could be considered true innovation recently. Not even BioShock (seeing as its the spiritual successor to System Shock 2 and all). What these genres have gotten, however, are games that take what made previous games in the genres fun and expand on the concepts, make them better, polish them. This is exactly the same thing that the so-called ''generic'' console games have done. There isn't a difference in what the developers are trying to do.

And to be honest, I don't want you to care what I think. It doesn't matter to me if you do or not. But I'm not gonna just sit here and see someone attack games that have been doing something that you praise. That's rather hypocritical, if you think about it. I'm not asking you to agree with me, I'm asking you to see the flaw in your logic. I'm not telling you to like console games. PC gaming is amazing, if you love it, go for it. But judge other games fairly, not blindly.
I find games are being 'streamlined' for general audiences, resulting in games that lack complexity and challenge.Its almost like recessive game design.Ala Oblivion and Rainbox Six Vegas.So yes in quite a few instances gaming is becoming more generic, in a sense that its dumbed down, and lacking unique ness. A major reason I still PC game is because of the huge amount of titles that loads of depth and complexities, and dont sacrifice any of it. I enjoy a challenge rather than being spoon fed and hand held - somthing which alot of developers tend to do nowadays.

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